Oh, God

Posted by Marc Hodak on May 18, 2008 under Patterns without intention | 3 Comments to Read

The debate between scientists and theologians continues. Actually, the link mostly recounts the surprisingly diverse opinions about God held by scientists. Here are the most common answers to the question: Does science make belief in God obsolete?

— Science has failed to find natural evidence of God. Natural evidence is all there is. No God. Case closed.

— Slightly softer is this line of reasoning: Science erases the “need” for God as an explanation of our experiences, and God either doesn’t exist or is at best a hypothesis (to the agnostic).

— And then there’s the view expressed in the title of University of Hawaii physicist and astronomer Victor Stenger’s new book, “God: The Failed Hypothesis — How Science Shows that God Does Not Exist.”

Then, we get into the more tortuous explanations attempting to reconcile science and religious belief. These are variations on common fallacies about science:

1. Science hasn’t proved that God doesn’t exist, so He might.

Weak. One can’t prove a negative assertion. Resting one’s case on the lack of proof negates reason. In fact, most serious theologians have long since given up on reason as a basis for God; they stipulate that it’s purely a matter of faith.

2. We can redefine “God” as the ‘wonders of science’–viola, no contradiction.

Super weak. I can define my shoe as your watermelon. It doesn’t make my shoe any more appetizing.

3. Biggest reach of all: “It is this claim to a monopoly of meaning … that makes science and religion look like competitors today.” The implication is that they don’t have to be, i.e., it’s just semantics.

Weaker than the gravitational field around a King James Bible. Science is not about meaning. It’s about relating X to Y. That relationship doesn’t mean anything, until someone invents that meaning, which is separate from the theories, hypotheses, tests, and conclusions that comprise the scientific process.

Inventing meaning is practically all we humans do, besides maybe grow food and make toys. Religionists must consider that science can be meaning-free. The debate is ultimately between a belief in meaning and an acceptance of meaninglessness.

In a way, the fallacy of science as a different kind of meaning is the most difficult to dispel in a debate about God. People who believe in God cannot imagine that anyone truly can’t. People who don’t believe in God cannot fathom that anyone really can. That’s the unconquerable divide.

I will finish by paraphrasing a believer who is also a skeptic: I am not one of those people who believes that God is involved in the world. On the contrary. Observe the world around us. Observe the world through history. Does it look like God’s involved?

  • db said,

    ABSOLUTELY ! and when GOD is the center of discussion it creates emergence and social constructionism. Sidian M.S. Jones, the creator of Redefine God, has attracted notable apologetics, writers, doctors, lawyers, practitioners, artists, healers, clergy and scientists of all denominations and creed to exercise empirical solutions with divine intelligence as the cause, and the subject to redefine. Brilliant Person… coined the phrase ATWI (All That Which Is), Brilliant Social Network. Take a look at any of the discussions and hop on in….. the debates get pretty intense… so be ready to back up your posts with facts.

    db

  • Sam said,

    http://www.touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=21-05-020-f

  • M. Hodak said,

    Sam, thanks for your link. I read through it, and it looks like a variant of item (1) above: “I know it by other means (i.e., my heart).”

    Most atheists are philosophical materialists. Tingley finds that terribly constraining, but science generally doesn’t.

    The problem I have with Tingley’s line of argument, aside from his clear disregard for Friar Occam’s Razor, is that God appears quite fickle. The Bible is all about physical revelation as the source of faith (notwithstanding a lot of protest to the contrary), then God suddenly goes dark on us. Except for miracles, which Anglicans like Tingley presumably accept. God’s all “here I am!” to establish His presence among men whom He must know would never have otherwise believed, then expects us to maintain belief in a thoroughly non-material existence.

    I’m not a theologian, but I arrived at my view from a deep interest and thorough understanding of both the Bible and science. I finally decided that life was too short to think about, which kind of settled my position.